Christian Engström, Pirat

14 mars 2013

More transparent voting in the European Parliament

Filed under: demokrati i eu,English — Christian Engström @ 9:02

The big screen after a roll call vote [in 2010]. Click to find details about the vote at

After this week’s vote on the Report on eliminating gender stereotypes in the EU, where we (mostly) managed to get rid of a proposal to ban all forms of porn in media and on the internet, several people have asked what the numbers were in the key votes, and which members of the European parliament voted for or against the porn ban, respectively.

Unfortunately, there is no way I can answer those questions, as the votes were done by a show of hands, and the exact results were not recorded. Strange as it may seem, this is how most votes in the European parliament are conducted.

I republish a blog post I wrote in 2011 that explains the background:

The European institutions need to become a lot more transparent, if they want to have any chance of gaining the confidence of increasingly eurosceptic citizens. The European Parliament is by far the best of the three institutions, and much more open and transparent than the Council or the Commission.

But the Parliament could improve, too.

When we vote in plenary in the European Parliament, we have an electronic voting system that is used to make ”roll call votes” (RCV). It works just as you would expect. A big screen tells you which item you are voting at the moment, and you have a few seconds to press one of the three buttons for yes, no, or abstain.

When the vote has been closed, the big screen displays the votes cast, both in numbers and with little green, red or white dots representing the individual members (MEPs) who took part in the vote. Afterwards, the information about how each MEP voted is made public, and there are sites like and where you can check how individual MEP voted.

It is a perfectly good system, but there is one problem.

For most of our votes, the electronic system is not used. Instead, we vote by raising our hands the second the President (speaker) says ”in favour”, ”against”, or ”abstentions”. The President then makes a judgement as to whether it was a yes or a no, and calls out his decision.

If he is uncertain, he can call for an ”electronic check”. We then redo the vote using the electronic system.

If an MEP feels that the President may have misjudged the outcome of a vote done by show of hands, he can demand an electronic check by shouting ”Check!” when the President has made his call. As I understand the Rules of Procedure for the Parliament, a check should always be carried out if a MEP requests it, but frequently the President ignores calls of ”Check!” from the floor, if he feels confident that he was right in his call.

After an electronic check the number of votes in favour, against, and abstentions are displayed on the big screen, but not the little dots representing the individual MEPs.

No data on how the individual MEPs voted is saved in these normal votes, regardless of whether they are completed by show of hands (where it would be impossible) or electronic check (where the data exists, but is discarded).

In the majority of votes that are not roll call votes, neither citizens nor other MEPs can check how a particular MEP voted.

I think all votes in plenary in the European Parliament should be carried out as roll call votes (except possibly minor points of order). This is a way to increase the transparency of the Parliament in a simple and straight-forward way, that can be implemented immediately and does not even cost any money. The electronic voting system is already there and has been paid for, whether we use it or not.

The standard argument against having all votes as RCVs is that it would take more time. I seriously doubt that this is true. The show-of-hands procedure is perhaps slightly quicker when everything goes smoothly, but if you add the time that the (fairly frequent) calls for electronic checks take, it often feels like it would have been quicker if we had done it all by roll call votes from the start.

There was a discussion in plenary in Strasbourg this week [in 2011] that resulted in one member asking for all the votes of a (random) report to be carried out as RCVs. The President granted the request, and it did not feel like the vote took any longer than it would have if we had voted the way we normally do.

And even if it were to be shown that it does in fact take slightly longer on average, I think we should still use roll call votes all the time. The Swedish national parliament has done so since it first got an automatic voting system, and I believe it is the same in national parliaments more or less everywhere.

MEPs are elected to represent the people who voted for them. Of course the voters should have the possibility to check how their representatives are doing their job.

To have all votes in plenary as roll call votes is a straight-forward reform to increase transparency in a concrete way. The European Parliament can implement at no cost and without delay, it it wants to.

I think we should.

5 kommentarer »

  1. Well, there are a couple of things an individual MEP can do.

    First, if there is a vote by show of hands, a MEP can asked that the outcome is verified by means of the electronic voting system. (Rules of procedures Rule 171.4). Only the number of votes will be recorded i guess, but it will also show that using the electronic voting system is as efficient as a show of hands. And the numbers are important too. It will show if it’s a narrow majority or a large majority. Even if you don’t win, you can show that you are a part of a sizable minority.

    Once that is established, releasing the roll call, which is made by the very same electronic voting system would be much easier to get done.

    The second thing one could do is to raise a point of order and ask for a roll call vote according to Rule 168.2. A majority would the have to come out against it. They should feel awkward about that.

    A roll call vote can be requested by 40 MEPs or a political group according to Rule 167.1. What did the green group say?

    This last thing would perhaps have been the easiest thing to achieve this time. I don’t know how hard it is to gather 39 other MEPs behind a roll call vote request. Winning the vote is not everything. In Switzerland where referendums are often performed, not only the winning side get’s to influence policy. A sizable minority can very well change public opinion, once the votes are counted and the numbers are facts. There is always a general election a few years away.

    And winning a seat in the next election is paramount, I suppose.

    Kommentar av Johan Tjäder — 14 mars 2013 @ 9:58

  2. Reblogged this on Urbansundstrom’s Weblog.

    Kommentar av urbansundstrom — 14 mars 2013 @ 16:23

  3. […] More transparent voting in the European Parliament. […]

    Pingback av More transparent voting in the European Parliament | Urbansundstrom's Weblog — 14 mars 2013 @ 16:55

  4. Reblogged this on Occupy The Polls.

    Kommentar av Occupy The Polls — 14 mars 2013 @ 17:41

  5. Absolutely shocking.

    ”And even if it were to be shown that it does in fact take slightly longer on average, I think we should still use roll call votes all the time. The Swedish national parliament has done so since it first got an automatic voting system, and I believe it is the same in national parliaments more or less everywhere.” – yes, this is exactly the same here in CZ. Even though this procedure is not strictly required for point of order/procedural voting; even for those cases, not counting the votes would only be permissible if the result was ”patently clear”, and any single member of parliament may request request the votes to be counted, such request cannot be denied. Also, results of voting must be made public via electronic means. (The only exception to the above rules being made for non-public parliament sessions.)

    Kommentar av Jakub — 15 mars 2013 @ 10:31

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