Christian Engström, Pirat

8 november 2009

Telecoms Package quick FAQ

Filed under: English,informationspolitik,Telecoms Package — Christian Engström @ 9:48

Quick questions and answers

Quick questions and answers about the Telecoms Package.

All the reasoning and references behind the answers are in ”Landmarks in the Telecoms text”.

– Was this a victory?
Yes. The text is not perfect, but it’s a good step in the right direction.

– Does it contain ”prior”?

– Will it stop Hadopi in France?
Catherine Trautmann says so, and she negotiated the package and is a French Socialist. Their results in the 2010 elections depend on her being right. So she’d better be.

– Will it stop the proposed law in the UK?
Yes, that law will clearly not be allowed, since it breaches a lot of the restrictions.

– But it doesn’t mention ”court”?
Instead it describes how a proper court functions. Innocent until proven guilty, right to be heard, due process. A proper court, in other words.

Maybe it is better to describe how a court functions than to use the word, considering how popular it seems to be among governments to take a judge with a rubber stamp and call it a court. It seems to be necessary to spell it out to some governments.

You already had these rights! This adds nothing!
That’s absolutely right. We already have the right to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal established by law, through Article 6 in the European Convention on Human Rights.

But unfortunately, some governments need to be reminded that our civil liberties are something they have to actually respect, and not just talk about.

This was just a first step. What we need is a proper Internet Bill of Rights. It’s not very difficult to write one. It’s mostly a question of pointing out to goverments who need it , that our traditional civil liberties apply to the internet and the information age as well.

Is this enough?
No. One can debate endlessly exactly how strong (or not) the safeguards are for due process if users are to be shut off the internet, but no matter how strong they may be, this is not enough.

Myself, I wouldn’t a approve any law that allows cutting off internet users at all, period. The Internet is an important part of society, and all our fundamental rights must apply there without limitation, as they do in the rest of our lives.

But we won’t get everything we want in a single battle, at least not right now. This is a first step in the right direction. But there’s a long way to go.

– Are we ready now?
This was just one battle, we have many more fights to win. But now we have shown we can do it.

– Whats next?
We will take an initiative for a proper Bill of Rights for the Internet. We want the Internet to continue to be free, open and exciting. Like it has been until now.


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21 kommentarer

  1. I think you mean exciting in the last paragraph. I’d also like to say I’m very pleased with your work so far! If I had a hundred votes I would put them all on Piratpartiet!

    Kommentar av Richard — 8 november 2009 @ 11:52

  2. I’m so glad I helped to get you down to Brussels, I really am. My best political choice I have done ever.

    Kommentar av Anders — 8 november 2009 @ 12:09

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  5. Digged on:

    My Digg history:

    If this kind of ”kommentar” is not wanted. Please let me know.

    Kommentar av Urban Sundström — 8 november 2009 @ 14:43

  6. Just wanted to say I’m glad you’re blogging in English now. Keep up the good work!

    Kommentar av Anonymous — 8 november 2009 @ 15:33

  7. Great fought! Keep it up =)

    Kommentar av gastlind — 8 november 2009 @ 16:53

  8. keep on fighting Christian!

    Kommentar av Manen — 8 november 2009 @ 20:58

  9. […] ett seminarierum på Juridicum med syfte att försöka bringa lite klarhet i vad man faktiskt kom överens om vid sista förhandlingen av telekompaketet. Inte alls en dum idé menar jag, det skulle vara […]

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  10. A problem of course is that the European Parliament cannot be proactive. It’s role to be reactive to proposals from the Commission, and I think the Commission would want to stay off any amendments to the telecoms package for a long time.

    But I’m certain that there will soon be things a Pirate MEP should react on.

    Kommentar av Johan Tjäder — 8 november 2009 @ 22:39

  11. Very very very very good. Detailed in an easy to understand and clear English. Awesome work all around. Thank you.

    Kommentar av Rick — 9 november 2009 @ 4:17

  12. @Urban Sundström: why not use HTML tags,, or to shorten your URLs so they don’t play havoc with Christian’s blog?

    Kommentar av Rick — 9 november 2009 @ 4:20

  13. I think it’s sad that you spend all this time and energy just to convince top-politicians that one must have a trial before being punished for a crime.

    Kommentar av ZastDerg — 9 november 2009 @ 12:45

  14. in regards to the question:
    ”You already had these rights! This adds nothing!”
    This Might be true for most of europe….but do remember the opt-out that uk
    got on the lisbon treaty:

    …perhaps it does add something by sidestepping this opt out….if I haven’t missunderstod something.


    Kommentar av Dan — 9 november 2009 @ 13:41

  15. The Telecoms text refers to the Convention on Human Rights, and not the Charter. They are different documents. The Charter is part of the Lisbon Treaty, and it is the Charter that some countries have exceptions from.

    All member states, including the UK, are signatories to the Convention (you have to be in order to apply for membership in the EU).

    Kommentar av Christian Engström — 9 november 2009 @ 18:29

  16. true.

    …But uk does not have a briliant past when it comes to the EHRC…
    and caring about it?

    now they have a new ”problem” that can bring out ”dirt” into the open.
    since the text is explicit on the mechanism required for fairness instead of refering to a concept or other defining ”instruments”.


    Kommentar av Dan — 9 november 2009 @ 18:51

  17. *foliehat av*


    Kommentar av Dan — 10 november 2009 @ 14:32

  18. Two questions are missing:

    – does it allow private actors to restrict Internet access, with no condition?

    Yes, because the Parliament agreed so with the Council.

    – Then, why did you vote for this text, and why do you claim it a victory?

    … ?

    Kommentar av Bobby Hiroon — 11 november 2009 @ 22:51

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