Christian Engström, Pirat

27 april 2010

IFPI’s child porn strategy

Filed under: Censilia,English,informationspolitik — Christian Engström @ 15:01

IFPI's lawyer Johan Schlüter (portrait by Mads Rye)

”Child pornography is great,” the speaker at the podium declared enthusiastically. ”It is great because politicians understand child pornography. By playing that card, we can get them to act, and start blocking sites. And once they have done that, we can get them to start blocking file sharing sites”.

The venue was a seminar organized by the American Chamber of Commerce in Stockholm on May 27, 2007, under the title ”Sweden — A Safe Haven for Pirates?”. The speaker was Johan Schlüter from the Danish Anti-Piracy Group, a lobby organization for the music and film industry associations, like IFPI and others.

I was there together with two other pirates, Pirate Party leader Rick Falkvinge, and veteran Internet activist Oscar Swartz. Oscar wrote a column about the seminar in Computer Sweden just after it had happened. Rick blogged about it later, and so did I. (All links in Swedish.)

”One day we will have a giant filter that we develop in close cooperation with IFPI and MPA. We continuously monitor the child porn on the net, to show the politicians that filtering works. Child porn is an issue they understand,” Johan Schlüter said with a grin, his whole being radiating pride and enthusiasm from the podium.

And seen from the perspective of IFPI and the rest of the copyright lobby, he of course had every reason to feel both proud and enthusiastic, after the success he had had with this strategy in Denmark.

Today, the file sharing site The Pirate Bay is blocked by all major Internet service providers in Denmark. The strategy explained by Mr. Schlüter worked like clockwork.

Start with child porn, which everybody agrees is revolting, and find some politicians who want to appear like they are doing something. Never mind that the blocking as such is ridiculously easy to circumvent in less than 10 seconds. The purpose at this stage is only to get the politicians and the general public to accept the principle that censorship in the form of ”filters” is okay. Once that principle has been established, it is easy to extend it to other areas, such as illegal file sharing. And once censorship of the Internet has been accepted in principle, they can start looking at ways to make it more technically difficult to circumvent.

In Sweden, the copyright lobby tried exactly the same tactic a couple of months after the seminar where Johan Schlüter had been speaking. In July 2007, the Swedish police was planning to add The Pirate Bay to the Swedish list of alleged child pornography sites, that are blocked by most major Swedish ISPs.

The police made no attempt whatsoever at contacting anybody from The Pirate Bay, which they of course should have done if they had actually found any links to illegal pictures of sexual child abuse. The plan was to just censor the site, and at the same time create a guilt-by-association link between file sharing and child porn.

In the Swedish case, the plan backfired when the updated censorship list leaked before it was put into effect. After an uproar in the bloggosphere, the Swedish police was eventually forced to back down from the claim that they had found illegal child abuse pictures, or had any other legal basis for censoring the file sharing site. Unlike in Denmark, The Pirate Bay is not censored in Sweden today.

But the copyright lobby never gives up. If they are unable to get what they want on the national level, they will try through the EU, and vice versa.

The big film and record companies want censorship of the net, and they are perfectly willing to cynically use child porn as an excuse to get it. All they needed was a politician who was prepared to do their bidding, without spending too much effort on checking facts, or reflecting on the wisdom of introducing censorship on the net.

Unfortunately they found one in the newly appointed Swedish EU commissioner Cecilia Malmström. In March 2010 she presented an EU directive to introduce filtering of the net, exactly along to the lines that Johan Schlüter was advocating in his speech at the seminar in 2007.

I assume that commissioner Malmströms’s motives are honourable, and that she genuinely believes she is doing something good that will prevent sexual child abuse. But sweeping a problem under the carpet, or hiding it behind filters, can never be the proper solution. If there actually are sites distributing pictures of sexual child abuse openly on the net, the sites should be shut down and the people behind them should be put in prison (after a proper trial).

But Cecilia Malmström
‘s Internet censorship directive will have no effect at all on sexual child abuse in the world. All she will have achieved if she is successful with this directive, will be to legitimize the principle of Internet censorship in Europe, just like the copyright lobby wanted her to.

It would be very sad if she succeeds.

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Also in English:

Net censorship debate with EU Commissioner Malmström

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171 kommentarer

  1. [...] fir informéiert Leit net neien awer trotzdem interessanten Artikel iwwert d’Censilia gëtt et bei mengem léiwsten EU Députéierten, dem Christian Engström [...]

    Pingback av sad autumn — 27 april 2010 @ 15:40

  2. Det här inlägget borde skickas in som debattartikel til de stora tidningarna. Väldigt bra skrivet.

    Kommentar av stroll — 27 april 2010 @ 15:49

  3. I näst sista stycket skriver du:
    ”If there actually are sites distributing pictures of sexual child abuse openly on the net, the sites should be shut down and the people behind them should be put in prison (after a proper trial).”

    Texten “Om det verkligen finns sidor som distribuerar…” ger visst sken att du skulle vara skeptisk till att dessa sidor faktiskt finns. Tror inte att det är det du vill förmedla.

    Bra skrivet i övrigt.

    //j

    Kommentar av j — 27 april 2010 @ 16:23

  4. Really, really good. Even awesome.
    I agree with stroll. You should do what you can to get it published in some big newspaper, Swedish or European.
    As long as it’s no problem that you already have published it here. But I’m afraid it might be, no?

    Kommentar av Steef — 27 april 2010 @ 16:28

  5. And the biggest problem is that this censorship or blocking, of course, won’t stop with file-sharing sites…

    Kommentar av Steef — 27 april 2010 @ 16:38

  6. Simply show http://www.cleanternet.org to everyone :-)

    Jan

    Kommentar av Jan Wildeboer — 27 april 2010 @ 16:50

  7. [...] Christian Engström, und schildert seine Erlebnisse während eines Seminars in Schweden: IFPI’s child porn strategy. Ein Vertreter aus Dänemark, der anscheinend bei einer ähnlichen Organisation wie der [...]

    Pingback av Die Rechteindustrie mag Kinderpornographie : netzpolitik.org — 27 april 2010 @ 16:56

  8. [...] a censurare tutta la Rete. Rapporti dall’attivista Oscar Swartz, dall’europarlamentare Christian Engstrom e del leader del Partito Pirata svedese Rick Falkvinge sono concordi nel denunciare questa pubblica [...]

    Pingback av L’industria del copyright esalta gli abusi sessuali sui bambini come strumento per chiudere Internet : Movimento ScambioEtico — 27 april 2010 @ 17:22

  9. [...] Wie Netzpolitik berichtet, sind unsere Freunde von der Contentmafia von Kinderpornographie schwer angetan. Kinderpornos seien etwas, das auch die Politiker verstanden haben (wow!) und sobald die Kinderpornos erstmal verstoppschildert wurden, können Film- und Musik-Industrie die Filesharing-Seiten sperren lassen. Näheres dazu schreibt Christian Engström von der schwedischen Piratenpartei in seinem Blog. [...]

    Pingback av Warum die Content-Mafia so auf Kinderpornos steht… | Horrendum — 27 april 2010 @ 17:28

  10. @ j

    ” Texten “Om det verkligen finns sidor som distribuerar…” ger visst sken att du skulle vara skeptisk till att dessa sidor faktiskt finns. Tror inte att det är det du vill förmedla.”

    Engström skrev: ” If there actually are sites distributing pictures of sexual child abuse openly on the net(…)”

    Notera att han syftar på sidor som distribuerar detta material helt öppet, vars påstådda omfattning många är kritiska till. Om det nu skulle finnas hemsidor som helt öppet sprider barnporr så ska de helt enkelt tas bort och ägarna åtalas enligt Engström. De flesta verkar vara tämligen överens om att majoriteten av detta material sprids i slutna kretsar, vilket gör internetcensur till ett oerhört trubbigt vapen.

    Kommentar av kras — 27 april 2010 @ 17:42

  11. @kommentar nr3 (//j)
    jag skulle nogt tro att du missade premissen ”openly on the net” i den där if/om-satsen…

    Kommentar av nef — 27 april 2010 @ 17:46

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    Pingback av Klare Worte | The Cynxpire — 27 april 2010 @ 17:53

  13. Som tidigare sagt – skicka in detta som debattartikel till tidningarna! Och framför allt – säg det på parlamentsgolvet. Det är sprängstoff!

    Kommentar av André — 27 april 2010 @ 18:13

  14. [...] Christian Engström tar upp en gammalt möte han var på där IFTI avslöjade sina fula knep för att införa censur. [...]

    Pingback av Anders S Lindbäck @ Kunskapssamhället » IFTIs fula knep och de som går på dem — 27 april 2010 @ 18:22

  15. Kommer de undersökningar som Malmström hänvisade till i radiodebatten, och som hon samtidigt erbjöd sig att visa dig Christian, någonsin att se dagens ljus?

    Kommentar av Erik E — 27 april 2010 @ 18:36

  16. [...] Det har varit uppe förut och det kommer komma upp igen, filtrera internet med diverse filter för att få bort barnporren. Hur svårt ska det vara att inse att detta inte är rätt väg att gå? För det första så går det att gå runt dessa filter utan några större bekymmer och detta kommer bara göra det svårare att hitta källan till bilderna/filmerna och få fast de riktiga bovarna som faktiskt våldför sig på barn. Det är som att försöka stoppa brandkåren att släcka en eld genom att hänga en stor filt ivägen för elden, det kommer vara svårare att se elden men den kommer synas och de kan lätt gå runt filten. Totalt meningslöst och verkningslöst (jag vet att liknelsen är löjlig men det är även iden med dessa filter). Det kommer även att utnyttjas av andra som vill censurera internet för egen vinning… It is great because politicians understand child pornography. By playing that card, we can get them to act, and start blocking sites. And once they have done that, we can get them to start blocking file sharing sites. Johan Schlüter [...]

    Pingback av Dessa barnpörrsfilter igen | Sultans Blogg — 27 april 2010 @ 18:54

  17. [...] Weil es vor ihnen längst andere getan haben. Wie zum Beispiel die armen, von Raubmordkopierverbrechern gepeinigten Rechteverwerter. [...]

    Pingback av Warum unsere Politiker so oft an die Kinder denken? « DavidBLN.de — 27 april 2010 @ 18:58

  18. Mycket bra formulerat och förklarat. Att förklara lobbygruppernas knep och riktiga agenda är bästa vapnet mot dem.

    Kommentar av Slasher — 27 april 2010 @ 19:02

  19. [...] [...]

    Pingback av Anonym — 27 april 2010 @ 19:05

  20. [...] Possibly original Source – this is english [...]

    Pingback av Child Pornography is great! « Server!/Horror! — 27 april 2010 @ 19:28

  21. ”One day we will have a giant filter that we develop in close cooperation with IFPI and MPA. We continuously monitor the child porn on the net, to show the politicians that filtering works. Child porn is an issue they understand,” Johan Schlüter said with a grin, his whole being radiating pride and enthusiasm from the podium.

    …and EU-commissioner Cecilia Malmström, swedish minister of justice Beatrice Ask and a whole lot of others swallowed it all

    Which is worst?
    1. They were fooled.
    2. They knew what happened.

    In the first alternative we should have someone else responsible. In the second they are almost criminal.

    Kommentar av Hans J — 27 april 2010 @ 19:55

  22. Next time, bring a camera or audio recorder. This is not surprising anyone who has followed the issue; it’s obvious that they’re trying to get filters in place any way they can.
    What we need though is a video of them saying what they said according to this blog, an undeniable recording instead of a transcript on a biased – though biased in the right direction ;-) – website like this. If we had an IFPI lawyer literally saying ”child pornography is great [for the content industry]” on camera and someone leaked it, things would get moving. That’s something you can campaign with, something ”old news” will pick up on and ask politicians about. I’d hope so, anyway.

    Kommentar av Tom — 27 april 2010 @ 20:10

  23. Johan Schlüter: ””Child pornography is great”…

    For many activists in net-politics it is apparent that the fight against child pornography is just an excuse for establishing a EU-wide content filtering infrastructure. This infrastructure for content filtering can be used to filter other content than…

    Trackback av Blog of Ingo Jürgensmann — 27 april 2010 @ 20:20

  24. [...] was sie unseren Nachfahren im Geschichtsunterricht vermutlich auch nicht erzählen werden. Wie die Internetzensur auf eine Strategie der Contentmafia zurückzuführen ist. ”Child pornography is great,” the speaker at the podium declared enthusiastically. ”It is [...]

    Pingback av Ein Schuh für Schäuble » Frei nach Fefe | — 27 april 2010 @ 20:28

  25. Kinderporno ist super!…

    ”Child pornography is great,” the speaker at the podium declared enthusiastically. ”It is great because politicians understand child pornography. By playing that card, we can get them to act, and start blocking sites. And once they have done that, we c…

    Trackback av thomasnesges/blog — 27 april 2010 @ 20:39

  26. [...] nicht der IFPI. Geglaubt haben wir es alle, aber dass sich echt einer von denen hin stellt und einfach so zugibt, dass für sie Kinderpornografie nichts weiter ist, als ein Mittel um das Blockier…… ”Child pornography is great,” the speaker at the podium declared enthusiastically. ”It is [...]

    Pingback av Dobschat » Ja denkt denn keiner an die Kinder? — 27 april 2010 @ 20:43

  27. [...] Christian Engström mal på angående censur av barnporr, Falkvinge mal på om sig själv Posted on 27 april, 2010 by nejtillpirater Hur länge orkar han mala på? [...]

    Pingback av Christian Engström mal på angående censur av barnporr, Falkvinge mal på om sig själv « Nej till pirater och Piratpartiet — 27 april 2010 @ 21:05

  28. [...] [...]

    Pingback av Urheberrecht in Deutschland - Seite 6 - DIGITAL FERNSEHEN - Forum — 27 april 2010 @ 21:11

  29. [...] Christian Engström – IFPI’s Child Porn Strategy [via netzpolitik.org] Geschrieben von Rouven. Veröffentlicht am Dienstag, 27. April 2010 um 20:43. Abgelegt unter All das andere. Tags: Internet, Politik. Lesezeichen zu Permalink. Verfolge Kommentare mit dem RSS Feed. Einen Kommentar schreiben oder hinterlassen Sie den Trackback. [...]

    Pingback av Ein Segen für die Rechteverwerter | killefit.net — 27 april 2010 @ 21:27

  30. [...] John Schlüter; Übersetzung von mir, Quelle hier [...]

    Pingback av die ennomane » Blog Archive » Vom Missbrauch der Missbrauchten — 27 april 2010 @ 21:54

  31. [...] Cecilia Malmström är alltså, medvetet eller omedvetet, den nyttiga idioten som hjälper till att göra censur rumsrent i de svenska [...]

    Pingback av IFPI utnyttjar oskyldiga barn! « Full Mental Straightjacket — 27 april 2010 @ 22:07

  32. [...] Hier ist mal einer für die historische Perspektive, was sie unseren Nachfahren im Geschichtsunterricht vermutlich auch nicht erzählen werden. Wie die Internetzensur auf eine Strategie der Contentmafia zurückzuführen ist. [...]

    Pingback av đª]V[ªX » Wie die Internetzensur auf eine Strategie der Contentmafia zurückzuführen ist. — 27 april 2010 @ 22:21

  33. DISGUSTING.

    Why the evil side always win? Why our internet will be turned into police space to satisfy IPFI?

    Sad…

    Kommentar av GuyFawkes — 27 april 2010 @ 22:35

  34. Mycket bra inlägg! Håller med ovanstående om att du borde skicka in det här till tidningarna! PP är fantastiskt bra på att synas på internet OM man läser bloggar. Det är därför ni har så många röster bland förstagångsväljare. Däremot måste PP jobba med att synas i gammelmedierna, som fortfarande är sättet de flesta konsumerar information. Mina föräldrar röstade på PP och var besvikna för de hade inte hört talas om er sen Europaparlamentsvalet, vilket förvånade mig otroligt, jag hör ju varje dag hur mycket ni uträttar därnere. Ni behöver alltså synas på andra plattformar också.

    Kommentar av Hannes — 27 april 2010 @ 22:51

  35. [...] IFPI’s child porn strategy “Child pornography is great,” the speaker at the podium declared enthusiastically. “It is great [...] [...]

    Pingback av Top Posts — WordPress.com — 28 april 2010 @ 1:07

  36. [...] IFPI’s child porn strategy « Christian Engström, Pirate MEP (tags: web-welt Machiavellismen 1984) [...]

    Pingback av links for 2010-04-27 « Your Friendly Neighbourhood Librarian — 28 april 2010 @ 2:33

  37. Child porn is the ultimate defense for bad laws – just say you’re trying to protect children and scream ”pedophile!” at anyone who opposes you. It’s a no-lose situation for everyone – except the people being screwed over by the REAL intents of these laws.

    Kommentar av Victor Prime, the Ghost-Who-Waddles — 28 april 2010 @ 5:51

  38. So wait, did they just compare file-sharing to CP?

    Kommentar av Jack — 28 april 2010 @ 6:23

  39. [...] schreibt Christian Engström, schwedischer Pirat und Mitglied des Europaparlaments, in seinem Blog. Er zitiert den dänischen [...]

    Pingback av »Die Rechteindustrie mag Kinderpornographie« | Tim Schlotfeldt » E-Learning — 28 april 2010 @ 7:32

  40. [...] posts /**/ /**/ Miniquote: Child pornography is great as an excuse28-04-2010 om 09:05 door SteephMiniquote: “Child pornography is great“. Dat is namelijk een goed excuus om van alles op…censuur, Filters, Internet, Miniquote, Privacy, Waan v/d Dag Terug naar het blog 0 Reacties Naar [...]

    Pingback av Miniquote: Child pornography is great as an excuse - Sargasso — 28 april 2010 @ 8:05

  41. [...] John Schlüter; Übersetzung von mir, Quelle hier [...]

    Pingback av Vom Missbrauch der Missbrauchten « web-kultur-blog-ffo — 28 april 2010 @ 8:46

  42. [...] soll ein Lobbyist der Content-Industrie gesagt haben: Child pornography is [...]

    Pingback av blog.denker.net - Des einen Leid, des anderen Freud — 28 april 2010 @ 9:33

  43. [...] valitud Rootsi Piraadipartei esindaja Christian Engström kirjeldab oma ajaveebis,[L] kuidas üks kodanik kiitis lastepornot. Mitte et ta seda otse “tarbinud” oleks, aga see olevat nii hea viis otsustajaid [...]

    Pingback av Jora » Arhiiv » Autorikaitsest ja lastepornost — 28 april 2010 @ 9:46

  44. http://www.cleanternet.org/

    Kommentar av Cecilia — 28 april 2010 @ 9:53

  45. Niveaulos….

    ”Child pornography is great,” the speaker at the podium declared enthusiastically. ”It is great because politicians understand child pornography. By playing that card, we can get them to act, and start blocking sites. And once they have done that, we c…

    Trackback av Blogaddict — 28 april 2010 @ 9:57

  46. [...] nun eins nach dem anderen: In einem aktuellen Blog-Post berichtet der Politiker über ein Ereignis, das sich im Rahmen eines Seminars der [...]

    Pingback av EU-Pirat Engström: Kinderpornos sind das Lockmittel der Lobbyisten | Basic Thinking Blog — 28 april 2010 @ 12:25

  47. [...] Hier die Übersetzung von einem Ausschnitt aus diesem Blogeintrag [...]

    Pingback av MI-Anwalt findet Kinderpornographie großartig « Chillheimer Blog — 28 april 2010 @ 12:59

  48. [...] schreibt auf seinem Blog über die aktuellen Sperrpläne von etwa Cecilia Malström. Seinen Artikel vom 27.04.2010 beginnt Engström mit einer Aussage von Johan Schlüter. Schlüter ist Anwalt, der eigenen Angaben [...]

    Pingback av beim wort genommen » Blog Archiv » Musikindustrie: “Kinderpornographie ist großartig” — 28 april 2010 @ 13:10

  49. I’m disgusted and ashamed of my country.

    At the time of the conference, Johan Schlüter chaired a governmental committee on immaterial rights and public funded research. The committee was even named after him.

    More info (in Danish): http://www.fi.dk/innovation/samspil-mellem-forskning-og-erhvervsliv/modelaftaler/om-johan-schluter-udvalget

    Kommentar av Thomas Christensen — 28 april 2010 @ 13:44

  50. [...] April 2010IFPI’s child porn strategy (Christian Engström, Pirate MEP)”Child pornography is great,” the speaker [at a seminar organized by the American Chamber of [...]

    Pingback av IFPI’s child porn strategy (Christian Engström, Pirate MEP) — omglog — 28 april 2010 @ 13:46

  51. [...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Andreas Lutro, Magne Mæhre. Magne Mæhre said: RT @anlutro: ”Child pornography is great,” the speaker at the podium declared enthusiastically. http://is.gd/bLr5k [...]

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  52. [...] schwe­di­sche Pirat im Euro­pa­par­la­ment, Chris­tian Engs­tröm, berich­tet über das Vor­ge­hen der Film– & Musik­in­dus­trie in Däne­mark, die über den [...]

    Pingback av Der „Steigbügel” Kinderpornographie | bertdesign.de — 28 april 2010 @ 14:35

  53. Someday, but years too late, we will wake up to the fact child pornography is not that bad, and children enjoy their bodies as much as adults, and we will realize we have mistook the worst case for the average, and lost our good judgment. And we will conclude that it would have been better to permit it than to build a police state to ban it. But it will be years too late.

    Because we live in a society where child pornography is not a subject independent academics and journalists can research, anti-child pornography is authoritarianism. It drives us politically precisely where we have little right to judgment. COPINE is just a wing of the police establishment. Every well funded project is.

    Lazy civil libertarians will decry the attack on wholesome file trading, the sort grandma used to do, but fail utterly to examine the root causes of this endless, and irresistible push for absolute censorship. And, yes years too late, they will see that some anonymous posting was right.

    Kommentar av dingdong — 28 april 2010 @ 15:05

  54. a raw german translation:
    ———————————————————————–
    „Kinderpornographie ist hervorragend“ sagte der Sprecher enthusiastisch. Es ist hervorragend, weil Politiker Kinderpornographie verstehen. Durch das Ausspielen dieser Karte bringen wir sie zum Handeln und zum Blockieren von (Web-)Sites. Wenn wir sie dazu gebracht haben, werden sie anschließend auch Filesharing-Seiten blocken.

    „The Venue“ war eine im Mai 2007 von der Amerikanischen Handelskammer organisierte Veranstaltung in Stockholm, welche den Titel trug „Schweden – ein sicherer Hafen für Piraten?“. Der Sprecher war Johan Schlüter, ein Mitglied der dänischen Anti-Piraterie-Lobbygruppe der Musik- und Filmindustrie – ähnlich der IFPI und anderen.

    Ich war mit zwei anderen Piratenparteimitgliedern (Rick Falkvinge und Internetveteran Oscar Swartz) dabei. Oscar schrieb im Anschluss eine Kolumne über dieses Seminar im „Computer Sweden“ (-Magazin?). Rick und ich bloggten etwas später darüber (in Schwedisch).

    „Eines Tages werden wir einen gigantischen Filter haben, welchen wir in enger Kooperation mit der IFPI und MPA entwickeln. Wir werden kontinuierlich die Kinderpornographie im Netz überwachen um den Politikern die Wirksamkeit unsers Filters zu zeigen. Kinderpornographie ist etwas, was sie verstehen“ sagte Johan Schlüter mit einem Grinsen; sein ganzes Wesen strahlte einen Enthusiasmus und Stolz vom Podium aus.

    Aus Sicht der IFPI und anderer Copyright-Lobbies, hatte er nach dem Erfolg mit seiner Strategie in Dänemark wirklich allen Grund, Stolz und Enthusiastisch zu sein.

    Heute ist die Site ThePirateBay.org von allen großen Internet Service Providern in Dänemark geblockt. Die Strategie von Herrn Schlüter funktionierte wie ein Uhrwerk.

    Beginne mit Kinderpornographie, bei der jedermann zustimmt, dass es abscheulich ist. Finde dann einen Politiker, der den Anschein erwecken will etwas dagegen zu tun. Erwähne niemals, dass das Blockieren lächerlich einfach in weniger als 10Sekunden zu umgehen ist. Das Ziel in dieser Phase ist lediglich die Politiker und die allgemeine Öffentlichkeit davon zu überzeugen, dass eine Zensur in Form von Filtertechniken „okay“ ist. Wenn dieses Prinziep erst einmal etabliert ist, ist es einfach es auf andere Bereiche, wie das File Sharing auszuweiten. Und wenn die Zensur erst einmal im Prinzip akzeptiert wurde, kann man anfangen Wege zu suchen, die Umgehungsmöglichkeit technisch schwieriger zu gestalten.

    Einige Monate nachdem Johan Schlüter dieses Seminar gehalten hatte, versuchte die Copyright-Lobby dieselbe Strategie in Schweden. Im Juli 2007 plante die Schwedische Polizei die Website ThePirateBay.org auf die Liste der geblockten Kinderpornographieseiten zu setzten.

    Die Polizei unternahm keinen Versuch jemanden bei ThePirateBay.org zu kontaktieren, was sie tun sollten, wenn sie irgendeinen Link zu Kinderpornographie gefunden hätten. Der Plan war es lediglich die Seite zu zensieren und eine „Schuldig-Verknüpfung“ zwischen Kinderpornographie und File Sharing herzustellen

    Im Schwedischen Fall ging der Schuß nach hinten los, als die Zensurliste an die Öffentlichkeit gelangte, bevor sie Wirkung zeigen konnte. Nach einem Aufschrei in der Blogosphäre war die Polizei möglicherweise gezwungen, sich von Ihrer Haltung zu distanzieren, die Seite aufgrund (angeblich) gefundenen Kinderpornographischem Materials oder anderer legaler Gründe, auf die Zensurliste zu setzten. ThePirateBay.org ist in Schweden bis heute nicht zensiert.

    Aber die Copyright-Lobby gibt niemals auf. Wenn sie auf nationaler Ebene nicht bekommt, was sie will, dann versucht sie es auf der EU-Ebene und vice versa.

    Die großen Film- und Plattenfirmen wollen Zensur im Netz und sie sind absolut zynisch gewillt auch Kinderpornographie als Entschuldigung dafür zu verwenden. Alles was sie dazu brauchten, war ein Politiker der dazu vorbereitet war, ihr Verlangen zu erfüllen, ohne die Fakten zu genau zu Prüfen, oder das Wissen des Netzes über die Einführung von Zensur zu reflektieren.

    Unglücklicherweise fanden sie einen Politiker in der neu berufenen EU-Kommissarin Cecilia Malmström. Im März 2010 präsentierte diese eine Direktive zur Einführung von Filtern für das Internet, welche sich exakt an die durch den Vortrag Johan Schlüters vorgegebene Linie hält.

    Ich nehme an, dass die Motive der Frau Kommissarin ehrenwert sind und sie selbst wirklich glaubt etwas Gutes zur Prävention gegen Kinderpornographie zu tun. Aber ein Problem unter den Teppich zu kehren, oder es hinter Filtern zu verstecken, kann niemals die richtige Lösung sein. Wenn aktuell Websites Bilder von Kindesmissbrauch verbreiten und offen zugänglich sind, dann sollten diese abgeschaltet und die Hintermänner ins Gefängnis gesteckt werden (nach einer ordentlichen Verhandlung).

    Aber Cecilia Malmströms Internet-Zensur-Direktive wird keinerlei Effekt auf Kindesmissbrauch in der Welt haben. Alles was sie erreichen wird, wenn diese Direktive Erfolg hat, wird sein, dass das Prinzip der Zensur in der EU legalisiert wird – genau so wie es die Copyright-Lobby von ihr gewünscht hat.

    Es wäre sehr traurig, wenn sie Erfolg hätte.

    Kommentar av German — 28 april 2010 @ 15:21

  55. @dingdong

    Maybe you and Johan Schlüter can be pals then.

    Kommentar av Apelsin — 28 april 2010 @ 15:38

  56. [...] IFPI’s child porn strategy [...]

    Pingback av Read the rest of this article !!!!!! « mon petit web – chindogu — 28 april 2010 @ 16:00

  57. I actually appriciate an opponent like Johan Schlüter. Not everyone would be that honest about their ulterior motives :)

    Kommentar av Christoffer — 28 april 2010 @ 20:23

  58. [...] The Music Industry… and child porn? Jump to Comments http://christianengstrom.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/ifpis-child-porn-strategy/ [...]

    Pingback av The Music Industry… and child porn? « The Catablogger — 28 april 2010 @ 21:51

  59. [...] IFPI’s child porn strategy (Thanks, Thomas!) via boingboing.net [...]

    Pingback av Music industry spokesman loves child porn – Boing Boing « Firesaw — 28 april 2010 @ 22:18

  60. [...] IFPI’s child porn strategy Sparat under: Censilia,English,informationspolitik — Christian Engström @ 15:01 IFPI’s lawyer Johan Schlüter (portrait by Mads Rye) ”Child pornography is great,” the speaker at the podium declared enthusiastically. ”It is great because politicians understand child pornography. By playing that card, we can get them to act, and start blocking sites. And once they have done that, we can get them to start blocking file sharing sites”. [...]

    Pingback av ZAMP-iri vole dječju pornografiju - The Chronicles of… — 28 april 2010 @ 23:47

  61. [...] Quelle: IFPI’s child porn strategy @ Christian Engström, Pirate MEP [...]

    Pingback av Was gut ist « AlltagsGrauen, est. 2003 — 29 april 2010 @ 3:39

  62. Kommentar av Alex — 29 april 2010 @ 4:50

  63. [...] til teenagere, der linker til sider, der måske indeholder ulovlige MP3-filer) sig løs med betragtninger om, hvor meget han holder af børneporno. Ikke som “forbruger”, men [...]

    Pingback av Johan Schlüter fra IFPI og Antipiratgruppen: Børneporno er alle tiders | Modpress — 29 april 2010 @ 5:40

  64. [...] Christian Engström hat was herausgefunden, was die (zB vom kleinen Franzosen, aber auch von Loser Brown gar so hofierte) Unterhaltungsindustrie noch bedenklicher erscheinen lässt. Da soll doch glatt ein von dieser bezahlter Lobbyistenlümmel gesagt haben: [...]

    Pingback av kritikus.at » Blog Archiv » Wer sind die Schweine? — 29 april 2010 @ 7:36

  65. [...] das getan haben, können wir sie dazu bewegen, auch Filesharing-Seiten zu blocken.” – Johan Schlüter, Anwalt der International Federation of the Phonographic [...]

    Pingback av Warum die Phonoindustrie Kinderpornos braucht « retrakon — 29 april 2010 @ 8:02

  66. [...] vi vänder oss också mot sättet man använder dessa värnlösa barn som slagträn i en debatt som egentligen handlar om något annat. Barn som utsätts för sexualbrott blir inte [...]

    Pingback av Anna Troberg » Malmströms nätcensur slår blint och fel — 29 april 2010 @ 8:09

  67. Hi.

    I am journalist on the danish newspaper Politiken. Somebody led my attention to this blog and the comment made by Johan Schlüter. But I wonder why you are written about this comment almost three years after it was made.

    Why is that? Please send me an e-mail with the reason, if you ever see this kommentera.

    All the best,

    Jeppe Kondrup Adelborg
    Journalist

    Politiken
    Jeppe.Adelborg@pol.dk

    Kommentar av Jeppe Kondrup Adelborg — 29 april 2010 @ 10:32

  68. [...] Increasingly, the child porn argument is used all around the world to get governments to implement state run Internet filters. “The big film and record companies want censorship of the net, and they are perfectly willing to cynically use child porn as an excuse to get it,” Pirate Party MEP Christian Engstrom writes in brilliant a blog post discussing the issue. [...]

    Pingback av ”Child Pornography Is Great,” Anti-Pirates Say | News.Scenetv.info — 29 april 2010 @ 11:04

  69. [...] Increasingly, the child porn argument is used all around the world to get governments to implement state run Internet filters. “The big film and record companies want censorship of the net, and they are perfectly willing to cynically use child porn as an excuse to get it,” Pirate Party MEP Christian Engstrom writes in brilliant a blog post discussing the issue. [...]

    Pingback av P2PTalk » ”Child Pornography Is Great,” Anti-Pirates Say — 29 april 2010 @ 11:18

  70. This has happened in England already. Government issued ”Home Access” laptops have a built in filter on the parent account, and as well as filesharing, lots of feminist and gay rights sites are now censored as Adult/Porn. Petertatchell.net, pandagon.net, jezebel.com, gays.com, ukgaynews.co.uk and so on. Non-microsoft software like pidgin.im is blocked as adult (MSN messenger is allowed). The eff.org is blocked as the ominous ”Other Threats”.

    Kommentar av lim — 29 april 2010 @ 11:31

  71. [...] Increasingly, the child porn argument is used all around the world to get governments to implement state run Internet filters. “The big film and record companies want censorship of the net, and they are perfectly willing to cynically use child porn as an excuse to get it,” Pirate Party MEP Christian Engstrom writes in brilliant a blog post discussing the issue. [...]

    Pingback av ”Child Pornography Is Great,” Anti-Pirates Say | Tech Industry News — 29 april 2010 @ 11:47

  72. [...] di antipirateria e le lobby dell’industria discografica e cinematografica con la scusa di combattere la pedopornografia filtrino e facciano chiudere e bloccare molti servizi di file sharing. Anzi siano addirittura [...]

    Pingback av Con la scusa di combattare la pedopornografia | Dario Salvelli's Blog — 29 april 2010 @ 12:58

  73. [...] Increasingly, the child porn argument is used all around the world to get governments to implement state run Internet filters. “The big film and record companies want censorship of the net, and they are perfectly willing to cynically use child porn as an excuse to get it,” Pirate Party MEP Christian Engstrom writes in brilliant a blog post discussing the issue. [...]

    Pingback av ”Child Pornography Is Great,” Anti-Pirates Say | We R Pirates — 29 april 2010 @ 13:00

  74. [...] Engström, a Swedish MEP for the Pirate Party, reports how a Danish anti-piracy lawyer explained at an American Chambers of Commerce seminar in 2007 that [...]

    Pingback av Scottish Socialist Youth » Corporate culture industry exploits child abuse for political gain — 29 april 2010 @ 13:13

  75. [...] Over de hele wereld wordt het kinderporno argument steeds meer gebruikt om regeringen zover te krijgen door de staat gerunde Internet filters toe te passen. ”De grote film-en platenmaatschappijen willen censuur van het net, en ze zijn volkomen bereid om cynisch kinderporno gebruiken als excuus om het te krijgen,” Pirate Party MEP Christian Engstrom schrijft in een briljante blog post over deze kwestie. [...]

    Pingback av Breinloos » “Kinderporno is geweldig,” zeggen Anti-Piraten — 29 april 2010 @ 13:22

  76. ‘Det här inlägget borde skickas in som debattartikel til de stora tidningarna. Väldigt bra skrivet.’

    Ditto. Och kan ingen nå fram till Malmström och försöka tränga genom?

    Kommentar av Rick — 29 april 2010 @ 13:43

  77. Cecilia Malmström slår ju alla anständighetsrekord!

    Flickan på bilden
    utnyttjas cyniskt för att ett företag ska kunna sälja blockeringsutrustning?!?

    Och Malmström vill inte få bort siterna?!? Hon vill bara blockera dom för dem som inte är så tekniskt kunniga.

    Så går det när man bara vill titta åt ett annat håll och sätta på sig solglasögon.

    Kommentar av Hans J — 29 april 2010 @ 17:40

  78. [...] put on by the US Chamber of Commerce, where someone from the Danish “Anti-Piracy” group spoke out about how great child pornography is, because it makes it easy for them to get politicians to block or shut down file sharing sites. [...]

    Pingback av Anti-Piracy Group Says: ‘Child Porn Is Great’ Since It Gets Politicians To Block File Sharing Sites « Hindgrindr — 29 april 2010 @ 18:31

  79. I’m not European but that’s very disturbing. Such filter would turn Europe into another China and soon other places would follow. Obviously fighting against child pornography is a must because it’s one of the worst things the human being is capable of but such filter would be both useless for countering any CP and it would be used for other purposes – we are seeing China taking action against whoever they want using the pornography as an excuse.

    It is obvious it would fail. As it was pointed we don’t stumble on CP sites on our daily browsing simply because they usually aren’t open for the public (if such sites exist) or they use other means to distribute among a select few members – I’d assume bittorrent is one of the channels but obviously other common means such as ftp, e-mail and even https must be used – so IFPI and similar organizations are planning to block the internet? Seriously, filtering will not solve the problem and will create a burden for law abiding citizens. I was reading the other day how Google blocked a site with artistic pictures of children because some fundamentalist pointed it as child porn. It’s not child porn. Now imagine what would be the consequences of such filter?

    Also, IFPI/MPAA/FACT/whoever are keen to fight piracy but if you are a good paying customer they couldn’t care less. I mean, when you buy DVDs and Blu-rays you are forced to watch trailers and stupid FBI/copyright warnings or even do firmware updates to play your movies (that if they actually can be played at all). From my end, I do want to buy the original for the good works but even if I buy it’s better to stick with the ‘pirated’ version since it doesn’t have any DRM idiocies – STOP MAKING YOUR CUSTOMERS GO THROUGH UNNECESSARY HASSLES. The non-playable blu-ray case can be found here http://consumerist.com/2010/04/drm-ravaged-avatar-dvds-may-not-work-on-blu-ray-players.html

    There might be some of my personal rant up there but the fact is that this should be stopped and IFPI should apologize for those disgusting comments. And even though I’m not European I hope you guys from the Pirate Parties all around Europe can put an end to this madness. I can’t offer much, I can’t vote for you but I’m praying for your success.

    Kommentar av Ninja — 29 april 2010 @ 18:40

  80. ”If they are unable to get what they want on the national level, they will try through the EU, and vice versa.”

    Dear Christian, please do not forget to point out there is third echelon that the lobbyists infiltrate and influence.
    I’m not only referring to international treaties such as ACTA.
    But also trying to point out that they have succes at lobbying the UN, not only via the ITU as i recently mentioned but also via
    UNESCO .
    Take a look here for further information: http://techdirt.com/articles/20100425/2118329161.shtml

    Warm pirate Greetings,

    Samir Allioui

    Kommentar av Samir Allioui — 29 april 2010 @ 19:19

  81. [...] Increasingly, the child porn argument is used all around the world to get governments to implement state run Internet filters. “The big film and record companies want censorship of the net, and they are perfectly willing to cynically use child porn as an excuse to get it,” Pirate Party MEP Christian Engstrom writes in brilliant a blog post discussing the issue. [...]

    Pingback av ”Child Pornography Is Great,” Anti-Pirates Say | InstantIdiocy — 29 april 2010 @ 19:41

  82. [...] er att göra… Men vi vänder oss också mot sättet man använder dessa värnlösa barn som slagträn i en debatt som egentligen handlar om något annat. Barn som utsätts för barnporr blir inte [...]

    Pingback av Anna Troberg på Newsmill — 29 april 2010 @ 19:59

  83. The commissioner Cecilia Malmström beats the record of undecency!

    The girl in the picture is cynically used to help a company sell more siteblocking equipment?!?

    And commissioner Malmström does not want to close down the sites?!? She is satisfied if they are only blocked for the not so technically minded citizens.

    This is the result when one just choose to look in another direction and put on sunglasses.

    Kommentar av Hans J — 29 april 2010 @ 20:01

  84. [...] Increasingly, the child porn argument is used all around the world to get governments to implement state run Internet filters. “The big film and record companies want censorship of the net, and they are perfectly willing to cynically use child porn as an excuse to get it,” Pirate Party MEP Christian Engstrom writes in brilliant a blog post discussing the issue. [...]

    Pingback av ”Child Pornography Is Great,” Anti-Pirates Say | Links Daily — 29 april 2010 @ 20:18

  85. [...] IFPI’s child porn strategy « Christian Engström, Pirate MEP [...]

    Pingback av NA-195-2010-04-29 « No Agenda Show Notes — 29 april 2010 @ 21:01

  86. [...] to enact an Internet censoring system across Europe. Christian Engtrom, Pirate Party MEP, lashed outagainst Malmstrom in his blog, claiming that she is simply a puppet of the pro-copyright [...]

    Pingback av Hazna.lt iTech | Using child pornography to curb piracy — 29 april 2010 @ 21:34

  87. [...] Increasingly, the child porn argument is used all around the world to get governments to implement state run Internet filters. “The big film and record companies want censorship of the net, and they are perfectly willing to cynically use child porn as an excuse to get it,” Pirate Party MEP Christian Engstrom writes in brilliant a blog post discussing the issue. [...]

    Pingback av ”Child Pornography Is Great,” Anti-Pirates Say @ blog.idtorrent.org — 29 april 2010 @ 23:02

  88. [...] story comes from Pirate MEP Christian Engstrom’s website: “Child pornography is great,” the speaker at the podium declared [...]

    Pingback av "Child pornography is great" says Danish music industry lobbyist | Rock Music — 29 april 2010 @ 23:11

  89. [...] des Tages: “Kinderpornografie ist großartig”, meinte Johan Schlüter, ein dänischer Anwalt, der seit Längerem in der AntiPiratGruppen als Lobbyist für die [...]

    Pingback av Morning Briefing : digirati — 30 april 2010 @ 7:00

  90. [...] IFPI’s child porn strategy: ”Child pornography is great,” the speaker at the podium declared enthusiastically. ”It is great because politicians understand child pornography. By playing that card, we can get them to act, and start blocking sites. And once they have done that, we can get them to start blocking file sharing sites”. [...]

    Pingback av Lesetipps für den 30. April | Netzpiloten.de - das Beste aus Blogs, Videos, Musik und Web 2.0 — 30 april 2010 @ 8:16

  91. Jeppe Kondrup Adelborg wrote:
    ”I am journalist on the danish newspaper Politiken. Somebody led my attention to this blog and the comment made by Johan Schlüter. But I wonder why you are written about this comment almost three years after it was made.
    Why is that? Please send me an e-mail with the reason, if you ever see this kommentera.”

    As you see if you carefully read this blog post the matter was discussed in the blogosphere at the time it happened. But I suppose that those discussions were primarily carried out in swedish. For those of us who have been following the discussion this of course old news, but it still provides a valuable perspective on the latest developments in the EU politics. Considering the response and number of ping backs it seems it’s worth reiterating this story in English.

    Kommentar av Tor M — 30 april 2010 @ 12:35

  92. …and danish!

    Kommentar av Hans J — 30 april 2010 @ 13:27

  93. [...] Jag läste Cecilia Malmströms förslag om att blockera sidor på nätet och tänkte för mig själv, hur kan det komma sig att hon ser blockering som någonting normalt och självklart. Om det nu är så hon tror, men jag väljer att just nu tro att hon är övertygad om att det fungerar och inte bara är ett sätt att lätt få in mer blockering av obekväma sidor på internet. [...]

    Pingback av Ola Nyström » Censur föder censur — 30 april 2010 @ 13:33

  94. Trevlig Valborgsmässoafton :!:
    önskar
    Josef

    …med en ”solskenshistoria”… :wink:

    Kommentar av Josef Boberg — 30 april 2010 @ 16:19

  95. [...] (Quelle) [...]

    Pingback av Atomwaffen für alle « DarkISI-Blog — 30 april 2010 @ 18:18

  96. [...] put on by the US Chamber of Commerce, where someone from the Danish “Anti-Piracy” group spoke out about how great child pornography is, because it makes it easy for them to get politicians to block or shut down file sharing sites. [...]

    Pingback av True Colors | Pittsburgh Alpha to Omega — 30 april 2010 @ 20:42

  97. VIKTIGT MEDDELANDE MED ANLEDNING AV KORRUPTIONSSKANDALEN I GÖTEBORG! Tipsa WikiLeaks och Nils, Axel eller Janne på Uppdrag Granskning. Kommunanställda, medborgare, svenskar, göteborgare, har ni misstänkta dokument som styrker korruption, lämna dem till WikiLeaks. WikiLeaks är varskodda och garanterar er anonymitet. Lämna INTE misstänkta dokument till politiker, tjänstemän, kommunala organ eller tidningar då det riskerar att bevis manipuleras eller förstörs!

    https://secure.wikileaks.org/

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    OBS! Er anonymitet garanteras! Sprid detta meddelande!

    Kommentar av cbc500 — 1 maj 2010 @ 0:02

  98. [...] Mai 1, 2010 in Das schreiben die anderen, EU, Politik | Tags: Internet, Kinderpornographie, Piratenpartei | by Clemens KOPENHAGEN. Die Debatte inwieweit Kinderpornographie im Netz durch staatlichen Eingriff zensiert werden sollte, ist nicht neu, hält aber an – auch in Deutschland. Die schwedische Piratenpartei (die auch eine deutsche Schwesterpartei hat) ist diejenige, die sich mit derartigen Fragen besonders profiliert hat. Unter dieser Adresse gibt es einen englischsprachigen Beitrag vom Piratenparteiabgeordneten im EU-Parlament, Christian Engström. [...]

    Pingback av “Kinderpornographie ist prima” oder Zensur im Netz « HighNorth – Der Nordeuropakorrespondenten-Blog — 1 maj 2010 @ 10:18

  99. I wonder why the content industry is that keen on censoring. It is not their instrument to play with, but the government. And if the government decides to censor brutal contents of industry like games or videos, as they did in e.g. Australia the industry dig their own graves.

    I think they will try that with smoking, too. Smoking is bad, they forbid it in public and sooner or later it will be prohibited at home, too. In USA (Belmont) it is already forbidden:
    http://articles.sfgate.com/2007-10-11/bay-area/17263929_1_smoking-ban-new-smoking-smoking-law

    Kommentar av idee — 2 maj 2010 @ 0:30

  100. [...] * In case I haven’t mentioned it before, I think anybody who says they are doing something “for the children” has ulterior motives. Exhibit A: An anti-piracy group said at their latest convention that ”Child pornography is great! By playing that card, we can get them to act, and start blocking sites. And once they have done that, we can get them to start blocking file sharing sites.” [CHRISTIAN ENGSTROM] [...]

    Pingback av News stories the mainstream media missed : 05/01/10 | Royce Eddington — 2 maj 2010 @ 7:48

  101. [...] Increasingly, the child porn argument is used all around the world to get governments to implement state run Internet filters. “The big film and record companies want censorship of the net, and they are perfectly willing to cynically use child porn as an excuse to get it,” Pirate Party MEP Christian Engstrom writes in brilliant a blog post discussing the issue. [...]

    Pingback av Copyright police love kiddie porn-TorrentFreak « FACT – Freedom Against Censorship Thailand — 2 maj 2010 @ 10:42

  102. [...] “Ein Anwalt der Musiklobby IFPI soll laut Engström schon 2007 bei einer Veranstaltung gesagt haben, dass Kinderpornos ‘großartig’ seien, da man über sie Politiker zur Einführung von Netzsperren bewegen könne.” (Quelle [...]

    Pingback av Child pornography is great : Burks' Blog — 2 maj 2010 @ 12:04

  103. [...] to dark arts to protect their riches from the fury of the raiders? Christian, a Pirate Party MEP, argues that the copyright lobby is hiding behind the issue of child pornography to make website-blocking [...]

    Pingback av bloggingportal.eu Blog & Support » Blog Archive » The Week in Bloggingportal: A Snapshot of Europe Today — 2 maj 2010 @ 13:46

  104. [...] to dark arts to protect their riches from the fury of the raiders? Christian, a Pirate Party MEP, argues that the copyright lobby is hiding behind the issue of child pornography to make website-blocking [...]

    Pingback av A Snapshot of Europe — 2 maj 2010 @ 15:05

  105. Mycket bra avslöjande. Bra jobbat Chrisitan! Kanske har ni min röst i nästa val också. Lobbyn och deras metoder ska fram i dagsljuset.

    Bara en liten sak att anmärka på. Du själv utnyttjar (kanske utan att veta) en del myter om barnpornografi i din argumentation. Att säga ”child porn, which everybody agrees is revolting,” är en rejäl överdrift. Dels finns det självklart pedofiler som inte alls tycker att barnporr är motbjudande. Dels så är barnpornografiklassningen väldigt godtycklig och slarvig, och en del saker som knappast ses som motbjudande är klassade som barnporr.

    Antipiratmaffian utnyttjar en stereotyp bild av barnporr, i ett retoriskt syfte. Bilden går ut på att all ”barnporr” är dokumenterade övergrepp där vuxna utnyttjar barn. Så är (lyckligtvis) inte fallet. Tecknade bilder och filmer är ett av flera exempel där ingen levande människa kommer till skada. Ett annat exempel som komplicerar bilden är att många tjejer i tonåren uppenbarligen tar bilder på sig själva, bilder som ibland sprids på internet. Där är det inte heller någon vuxen gärningsman med. Genom att överdriva problemet med barnporr gör sig maffian ett argument för ett nedlåst internet. Våga granska barnporren, och avväpna antipiratmaffian. Läs vad Oscar Shwartz har skrivit i ämnet!

    Låt gå för att piratpartiet, som redan har fått en massa skäll för en miljard irrelevanta skitsaker (typ OH NOES ni går med i samma partigrupp som MP eller FP redan är med i, KNARKVARNING) kanske inte vill förknippas med pedofili…

    Kommentar av PiratMöp — 2 maj 2010 @ 20:20

  106. @ Jeppe Adelborg (#67),

    The reason I wrote about it now is that the issue of Internet censorship is on the agenda, since Ms. Malmström has proposed it in a directive.

    I wrote about it (in Swedish) in February 2008 as well, when the Swedish police was proposing to block The Pirate Bay using the same (bogus) argument.

    Our party leader Rick Falkvinge, who was also attending the seminar, also blogged about it at that time.

    The third pirate present, net activist Oscar Swartz, wrote a column about it in Computer Sweden just after it had happened. He has also mentioned it on
    his blog
    .

    Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

    /Christian Engström
    +46-70-663 37 80
    christian.engstrom@piratpartiet.se

    Kommentar av Christian Engström — 3 maj 2010 @ 8:54

  107. [...] mots d’un lobbyiste anti-P2P prononcés en mai 2007 et ressortis la semaine dernière sur le blog de l’eurodéputé Christian Engström accrédite l’hypothèse d’une manipulation [...]

    Pingback av web-obscur » Archives du Blog » La pédopornographie au secours des majors — 3 maj 2010 @ 11:14

  108. Fuck yeah gooooooooo child porn wo wo wooot

    Kommentar av Anonym — 4 maj 2010 @ 3:00

  109. [...] IFPI’s child porn strategy @ Christian Engström, Pirate MEP [...]

    Pingback av PROMAGO.de Gadgets » Blog Archive » Vom Mißbrauch des Mißbrauchs — 4 maj 2010 @ 7:20

  110. [...] Industry). Die IFPI ist ein Zusammenschluß von 1.400 Musiklabels und -Verlagen aus 66 Ländern. In seinem Blogbeitrag vermutet der Schwede, die in vielen Ländern bereits laufenden Zensursysteme seien nur aufgrund von [...]

    Pingback av Alexander Höhn: Das Blog » “Kinderpornografie ist großartig. …” — 4 maj 2010 @ 12:58

  111. [...] Abgeordneten der schwedischen Piratenpartei im EU-Parlament. Letzte Woche veröffentlichte er eine Warnung vor dem Zynismus der Rechteinhabernidustrie, der zufolge Kinderpornografie ganz bewusst zum Aufbau einer Zensurinfrastruktur eingesetzt wird. [...]

    Pingback av Lobbyist findet Kinderpornografie angeblich “großartig” — 4 maj 2010 @ 21:19

  112. As long as citizens of so-called democratic nations ensure freedom of spech, a free internet and freedom of the press, their nations will be free. Silence free expression and you silence Freedom, Liberty & Justice and ensure a dictatorship of the Wealthy and the enslavement of all others. Study human history and you will find this is true as the sky is ‘blue’!

    Kommentar av Joseph onrad — 5 maj 2010 @ 6:49

  113. [...] IFPI’s child porn strategy (Thanks, Thomas!) [...]

    Pingback av How The Control Begins | Revelations From An Unwashed Brain — 8 maj 2010 @ 2:03

  114. [...] Increasingly, the child porn argument is used all around the world to get governments to implement state run Internet filters. “The big film and record companies want censorship of the net, and they are perfectly willing to cynically use child porn as an excuse to get it,” Pirate Party MEP Christian Engstrom writes in brilliant a blog post discussing the issue. [...]

    Pingback av ”Child Pornography Is Great,” Anti-Pirates Say — 8 maj 2010 @ 5:20

  115. [...] Increasingly, the child porn argument is used all around the world to get governments to implement state run Internet filters. “The big film and record companies want censorship of the net, and they are perfectly willing to cynically use child porn as an excuse to get it,” Pirate Party MEP Christian Engstrom writes in brilliant a blog post discussing the issue. [...]

    Pingback av Bloodstudios.com » Blog Archive » ”Child Pornography Is Great,” Anti-Pirates Say — 8 maj 2010 @ 21:26

  116. [...] debatt som kallas “guilt by association”. Det går helt enkelt till så att man nämner något som alla tycker är avskyvärt tillsammans med det man vill misskreditera. Ett väldigt enkelt och, tyvärr, effektivt knep. Eftersom vanliga, hederliga, argument mot [...]

    Pingback av Ershags eskapader ~ Fildelning och barnporr är olika saker – basta — 9 maj 2010 @ 0:44

  117. really good. Even awesome.

    I like this blog but my english is not so good but i understand a lot of.

    Kommentar av zespół muzyczny włocławek — 9 maj 2010 @ 10:45

  118. [...] das was Engström dort zu hören bekam, verfasste er einen aufschlussreichen Blog-Artikel, der zunächst in Vergessenheit geriet, inzwischen aber zunehmend an politischer Aktualität und [...]

    Pingback av Verwerterlobbyisten: Wir finden Kinderpornographie toll! « Blog zur IT-Sicherheit — 9 maj 2010 @ 17:18

  119. I like video cleanternet.

    Thx for that.

    Blog is good too :)

    Kommentar av wykończenia wnętrz — 10 maj 2010 @ 13:04

  120. [...] Tillsist gick jag dit i alla fall, för jag kände att jag hade en viktig fråga att ställa. Det jag tror kommer bli näste stora fråga i slaget om ett fritt internet. Frågan om chifferrymdens framtid. Vi har redan sett att detta bara är starten, på ett mycket cyniskt sätt har man använt detta känslomässigt laddade och tragiska ämne, dokumenterade övergrepp på barn för att slå in dörren för Internetcensur. Vi har sett att organisationer som IFPI, redan haft detta som mål i flera år. Child pornography is great, … It is great because politicians understand child pornography. By… [...]

    Pingback av Mer om chifferrymden « lePlaid — 10 maj 2010 @ 19:48

  121. [...] Increasingly, the child porn argument is used all around the world to get governments to implement state run Internet filters. “The big film and record companies want censorship of the net, and they are perfectly willing to cynically use child porn as an excuse to get it,” Pirate Party MEP Christian Engstrom writes in brilliant a blog post discussing the issue. [...]

    Pingback av ”Child Pornography Is Great,” Anti-Pirates Say « BloodStudios.com — 11 maj 2010 @ 4:47

  122. [...] IFPI’s child porn strategy « Christian Engström, Pirate MEP [...]

    Pingback av NoAgenda.tv | Blog | NA-195-2010-04-29 — 16 maj 2010 @ 19:59

  123. [...] of the Phonographic Industry), sem eru samtök höfundarétthafa tónlistarefnis, sagði (samkvæmt Christian): ”Child pornography is great,” the speaker at the podium declared enthusiastically. ”It is [...]

    Pingback av Barnaklámsréttlætingin á ritskoðun « Smári McCarthy — 18 maj 2010 @ 13:56

  124. ”The internet is for porn,
    the internet is for porn,
    the internet is for porn,
    Grab your dick and double-click,
    for porn, porn, porn!”

    Kommentar av sell porn — 20 maj 2010 @ 19:56

  125. Här slutar Internet – så det så. 8)

    Kommentar av Josef Boberg — 21 maj 2010 @ 14:30

  126. awesome. Thanks

    Kommentar av meoo — 25 maj 2010 @ 21:59

  127. [...] Increasingly, the child porn argument is used all around the world to get governments to implement state run Internet filters. “The big film and record companies want censorship of the net, and they are perfectly willing to cynically use child porn as an excuse to get it,” Pirate Party MEP Christian Engstrom writes in brilliant a blog post discussing the issue. [...]

    Pingback av ”Child Pornography Is Great,” Anti-Pirates Say | Downloads and News — 26 maj 2010 @ 6:05

  128. Excellent brief article on an issue which will have an increasingly large bearing on the future of tech society in Europe. The American and Chinese experiences have both consistently demonstrated two things:
    1- That the network perceives censorship as damage and routes around it.
    2- That censorship and tech regulation based on 18th century intellectual rights concepts, if actually achieved, merely serve to stifle innovation and hamstring the tech economies which achieve such censorship while granting a competitive boost to others (an effect of the above item)

    Hopefully some day societies will come to identify that there is a difference between a book and a number which can represent the information contained in the book, as well as creating a proper classification for software which is not adequately covered by existing literary copyright or patent laws.

    Kommentar av zxq9 — 1 juni 2010 @ 15:20

  129. [...] is a hard sell, particular elected officials. As one industry spokesman once said, “Child porn is great,” because it puts anyone expressing even caution against expanding regulation on the [...]

    Pingback av The Death of the Nonexistent Youth Bill and What it Means | Dan Kanemitsu's Paper Trail — 20 juni 2010 @ 23:23

  130. As time goes on it seems the trend is for increased censorship of the internet as opposed to less censorship.

    Kommentar av Buy Pirate Costume — 12 juli 2010 @ 12:41

  131. [...] Both are dangerous because they’re giving a lot of power to the wrong people. Both are idiotic at best. [...]

    Pingback av Interviewed by Sam Knight « Smári McCarthy — 13 juli 2010 @ 11:44

  132. thanks admin

    Kommentar av porno — 27 juli 2010 @ 1:08

  133. very good website my friends

    Kommentar av haci — 3 augusti 2010 @ 12:56

  134. [...] lagar och åtgärder som helst, från övervakning och datalagring till censur, från FRA-lag till skivbolagslobbying(!), börjar nu äntligen förlora sin fruktansvärda tankebedövande [...]

    Pingback av Pendeln är i svängning « Maiburogu – Sverige! Japan! Choklad! — 8 augusti 2010 @ 21:31

  135. [...] skivbolagens lobbyister använder ofta och gärna barnporren som argument för att etablera principen att det är okay med [...]

    Pingback av Internetcensur, Befria internet, Stoppa internetcensuren − Vem vill ha Internetcensur? — 10 augusti 2010 @ 5:56

  136. [...] stormförtjusta i barnpornografi, för det är någonting farligt på internet, som alltså är lätt att koppla samman med annat som är farligt på internet (läs: The Pirate Bay). Att vi spärrar barnpornografihemsidor, leder till att vi har en lista med [...]

    Pingback av Avkriminalisera barnpornografi « Caspian Rehbinder — 11 augusti 2010 @ 15:38

  137. Super!

    Kommentar av prezerwatywy — 23 augusti 2010 @ 18:46

  138. jag älskar barn porr det är det besta jag vet och jag brukarknula barn då och då

    Kommentar av kim — 26 augusti 2010 @ 17:02

  139. okej asså det är helt fel

    Kommentar av aliiiia — 17 september 2010 @ 20:45

  140. [...] wouldn’t dare go this low? If so, those days are gone, as countries like Australia and copyright enforcement agencies rush to use the torturing of small children to push their agenda for a police state. But [...]

    Pingback av Drugs and Terrorists, Porn and Pirates | GeorgieBC's Blog — 22 september 2010 @ 19:24

  141. [...] Childpornography is great (Blog Christian Engström) [...]

    Pingback av Folge 2 – Über Censilia vom Bundesparteitag der Piraten | Politology.de — 26 november 2010 @ 15:04

  142. [...] Ja, dürfte. Denn es ist auch unbekannt wie viel Geld der Verein denn einsammelt oder gar von wem. So könnte es nämlich gut sein, dass die Verwertungsindustrie den Verein massiv unterstützt in der Hoffnung, dass eine Zensurinfrastruktur – eingeführt zum Schutz der Kinder – am Ende auch zum Schutz des Urheberrechts eingesetzt wird. Wer das für unglaubwürdig hält, dem sei als Lektüre Christian Engström ans Herz gelegt: Child pornography is great [...]

    Pingback av Freedom of innocent press in danger | Under Skull and Bones — 2 december 2010 @ 15:26

  143. It will be successful, because politicians are paid by lobbies…

    Kommentar av Klausi — 2 december 2010 @ 15:40

  144. [...] Increasingly, the child porn argument is used all around the world to get governments to implement state run Internet filters. “The big film and record companies want censorship of the net, and they are perfectly willing to cynically use child porn as an excuse to get it,” Pirate Party MEP Christian Engstrom writes in brilliant a blog post discussing the issue. [...]

    Pingback av ”Child Pornography Is Great,” Anti-Pirates Say | TorrentFreak — 8 februari 2011 @ 13:02

  145. It is even worse than putting filters and closing sites. What these guys are trying to do is to scare people. All these bureaucrats and government agents know that the only way to rule is using terror. They are the real terrorists. I have seen in a site the news that a man mistakenly downloaded child porn and a year later FBI was searching his computer and arrested him. The news said that he was facing a heavy jail sentence. Now, I don’t know if the story is true, but the message under it is: if you download anything you can go to jail for being paedophile even if you aren’t!

    The only way to fight these people is getting public support and public pressure on the MP’s.

    Now, seriously, doesn’t it look to you that this Schluler has an aura and looks like a paedophile? or is it just my impression?

    Last, but not least, remember the case of paedophilia in Belgium some 10 years ago, a very extensive case involving many children, kidnapping, imprisonment and a judge who was investigating it thoroughly was fired by the government? He was getting close to the culprits, very powerful people with influence/participation in the government. So, real paedophiles are not the people who mistakenly download a piece of crap in their computer. I believe governments don’t really want to stop paedophilia.

    Kommentar av lubrikiet — 2 mars 2011 @ 19:20

  146. [...] Christian Engström, who’s now a Member of the European Parliament, Oscar Swartz, and I were also [...]

    Pingback av The Copyright Lobby Absolutely Loves Child Pornography | TorrentFreak — 9 juli 2011 @ 20:58

  147. [...] Christian Engström, who’s now a Member of the European Parliament, Oscar Swartz, and I were also [...]

    Pingback av The Copyright Lobby Absolutely Loves Child Pornography | We R Pirates — 9 juli 2011 @ 23:00

  148. [...] wasn’t. Christian Engström, who’s now a Member of the European Parliament, Oscar Swartz, and I were also [...]

    Pingback av Attack the System » Blog Archive » The Copyright Lobby Absolutely Loves Child Pornography — 10 juli 2011 @ 5:35

  149. [...] wasn’t. Christian Engström, who’s now a Member of a European Parliament, Oscar Swartz, and we were also [...]

    Pingback av The Copyright Lobby Absolutely Loves Child Pornography — 10 juli 2011 @ 16:00

  150. [...] wasn’t. Christian Engström, who’s now a Member of the European Parliament, Oscar Swartz, and I were also [...]

    Pingback av Copyright Lobby Wants To Equate Sharing Music To Child Pornography | Dystopia Earth — 18 juli 2011 @ 14:55

  151. [...] wasn’t. Christian Engström, who’s now a Member of a European Parliament, Oscar Swartz, and we were also [...]

    Pingback av The Copyright Lobby Absolutely Loves Child Pornography | Torrents & File Sharing News — 2 augusti 2011 @ 7:45

  152. Absolutely correct, this is very ridiculous. Because of the serial unwillingness to actually define anything in a useful way ”child”, in this part apparently means any drawing interpreted to be ”below eighteen”, like your random character in some random high school shôjo manga, or any person who the government decides *looks* under eighteen or any other character that just looks to be at most seventeen, in some sort of ”sexual” situation, which is again is not specifically defined but is left comfortably open letting them censor anything they decide. And I do mean anything since the only criteria for censorship is that they decide something *appears* to be sexual (which can mean anything) involving someone who *appears* to be underage” Anyone here reading, watching, consuming media of some kind that has a child character? Gosh, you must be a pedophile.

    I can only dryly stop to remember that this moral outrage is brought to us by the country that keep it’s age of consent at the disturbingly low age of 15.

    Next note the part right above the anti-manga/anime screed that states that any image of a real person that ”appears” to be below eighteen is to be illegal. That same sentence means that it is illegal for anyone above the age of 18 and far above that to wear “childish clothing”, Lolita fashion, or anything similar to the aforementioned in an image depicting a situation that is ”interpreted” to be “sexual”.

    Are you fucking kidding me?

    We all know what the real idea here is, because if you can ban one art form — harmless in its creation — without proof of any kind, just based on the assumption it’s harmful, well then fuck, can’t we ban Communistic literature too? All we need is someone with a shiny badge or pressed suit to tell us it’s evil and undermining the peace and then art is removed from the market? That isn’t free speech and it isn’t Democracy. In a Democracy, to paraphrase Isaac Asimov, all people must be given a say regardless of content and we the people hear them and can embrace or reject what they say. But when this morphs into the government “protecting” us from certain ideas it decides it doesn’t like then that’s not free speech any more now is it? You can either speak freely or you can’t, and apparently we can’t. And while you might find it benign to ban some shady manga you’ve never read, the legal implications of what they’re doing are stunning.

    Kommentar av dominic — 22 augusti 2011 @ 19:13

  153. Make sure this type of information is included in Wikipedia in several locations. This will help get the word out on these types of methods to make the slippery slope not just steeper, but also more slippery by use of deception on the public and appealing to politicians who are desperate for something to try to look like they’re doing something.

    Kommentar av Anonym — 6 september 2011 @ 6:33

  154. [...] following blog excerpt (link here) shows the perfideous way the IFPI is willing to take to get ahold of the copyright violators no [...]

    Pingback av Netspark's Blog - My thoughts, my ideas, my found stuff… shared with you! » Blog Archive » So the truth comes out… — 7 november 2011 @ 16:41

  155. [...] hacia lugares donde pueden encontrar contenidos con derechos de autor en la web. For hace tiempo algún, copyright lobbyists have been accused by their opponents of intentionally associating child [...]

    Pingback av Confundir una infracción de copyright con la pornografía infantil es un juego sucio y peligroso | Partido Pirata — 3 maj 2012 @ 17:05

  156. [...] Engström, who’s now a Pirate Member of the European Parliament, net activist Oscar Swartz, and I were also [...]

    Pingback av It’s for the Children at A Geek With Guns — 28 maj 2012 @ 17:01

  157. [...] aki immár az Európai Parlament kalózpárti képviselője, valamint Oscar Swartz, net-aktivista is jelen [...]

    Pingback av Újraértelmezett cinizmus, avagy miért imádja a szerzői jogi ipar a gyerekpornót? | Kalóz Média — 29 maj 2012 @ 6:20

  158. [...] Engström, who’s now a Pirate Member of the European Parliament, net activist Oscar Swartz, and I were also [...]

    Pingback av Cynicism Redefined: Why The Copyright Lobby Loves Child Porn - Falkvinge on Infopolicy — 1 juli 2012 @ 6:02

  159. [...] que é agora um membro pirata do Parlamento Europeu, o ativista digital Oscar Swartz, e eu estava também [...]

    Pingback av Cinismo Redefinido: Por Que o Lobby dos Direitos Autorais Ama Pornografia Infantil? - Política da Informação por Falkvinge — 1 juli 2012 @ 6:06

  160. I found this from the link at http://falkvinge.net/2012/05/23/cynicism-redefined-why-the-copyright-lobby-loves-child-porn/ and I am happy to be able to read it.

    Kommentar av tyciol — 17 september 2012 @ 9:46

  161. i do not think that child pornography is the right way to act against file sharing networks…

    Kommentar av Neocate — 27 september 2012 @ 11:17

  162. [...] And they wonder why we don’t believe them when they say it’s “for the children.” [...]

    Pingback av Hooray for Kiddie Porn — 12 november 2012 @ 6:20

  163. [...] delle normative draconiane a tutto vantaggio delle aziende private. Era il maggio del 2007 quando Johan Schlüter, capo dell’Antipiratgruppen danese, enunciò, in un seminario organizzato dalla Camera di Commercio di Stoccolma: “La pornografia infantile è [...]

    Pingback av PhotoDNA: Microsoft, Facebook e il controllo globale che piace alla Commissione Europea | Valigia Blu — 12 november 2012 @ 15:03

  164. Reblogged this on SunnyRomy.

    Kommentar av sunnyromy — 6 december 2012 @ 12:36

  165. [...] A dátum 2007. május 27. volt, a férfi pedig Johan Schlüter, a dán Kalózkodásellenes Csoport (Antipiratgruppen) feje. Zárt közönség előtt, sajtónyilvánosság nélkül beszélt. Azt hitte, hogy a teljes hallgatósága kizárólag a szerzői jogi ipar bennfenteseiből áll. Tévedett. Christian Engström, aki immár az Európai Parlament kalózpárti képviselője, valamint Oscar Swartz, net-aktivista is jelen volt. [...]

    Pingback av ÚJRAÉRTELMEZETT CINIZMUS, AVAGY MIÉRT IMÁDJA A SZERZŐI JOGI IPAR A GYEREKPORNÓT? | — 21 december 2012 @ 19:56


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